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Bill Seitz

I think it's worth noting that the *ideas* for innovative products often are born in academic environments, but those creators often have to move outside academica to actually generate a *product*. To some extent this is a desire for financial return, but I think it's also due to academia's lack of interest in implementation: there are points for having original ideas, but once you've had the idea, actually implementing it is not considered relevant.

Hamish

Absolutely true, Bill, and a certain amount of pressure on academics to think about how their work fits in with "real" world is justified. It so happens that most of the academics who I work with day to day have a firm grasp of that already. Indeed the two projects I work on are

* FloodRiskNet (http://www.floodrisknet.org.uk/) network, which generates active involvement from academics and "practitioners"

* A project called "Towards the Next Generation of Computer Models for the Prediction of Flood Level and Inundation Extent" (website at experimental stage) in which representatives of the potential users of the research have been present at every progress meeting so far.

I thought while writing the original post about whether to start ruminating about the different types of innovation, which must include the multitude of small but nonetheless innovative steps in getting a "big" innovation to market, as well as the "big" innovation itself. To say that "innovation doesn't really happen in the space in which open and closed source software compete" is silly, I admit.

If you have a widget to manufacture, there is a huge amount of work in making it work as reliably as required, for as long as is needed, in the conditions in which it will be used, and so on.

The point is though that these smaller innovations tend to occur to a greater degree when the original idea is well enough developed that its potential is visible. Whatever model you use to fund it, the work is more likely to get done and less demanding of thinking space, assuming that the right connections are made between early stage innovators and bringing-it-to-market type people. And that is one of the things that research networks are for.

Another point to remember is that innovation is not just technical, and making a success of a new technology may well involve creating the (social) environment in which it can flourish. Thus we have sociotechnical innovations (I am indebted to Mike Abbott http://www.knowledge-engineering.org/ for this observation).

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